I can understand why one likes film. I find myself trying to "emulate" the feel of B&W film in PS far too often myself. Good to see some pros who haven't lost that magic despite their needs to publish fast. Really inspiring stuff on this web site, thanks for sharing your ideas.
Sep 04, 2008 2:22 PM
great stuff. xo ands & megs
Sep 03, 2008 9:21 AM
I love your page and photos :) join me please
Sep 02, 2008 8:44 AM
Hey that photo of the republican national convention is funny.
Aug 27, 2008 3:16 AM
thank you for coming the other night, it was great to see you!
xx
Aug 22, 2008 2:56 AM
Great photos! Really like the photos from the ioecho @ viper entry . Great stuff there!
Aug 19, 2008 4:46 AM
Hi Chris!! I'm finally back to Uber after my hard jobs far from home and the fast internet networks... I saw the street contest page and i hope i will be able to upload one of my "works"! in the last weeks I hanged out with my Yashica GSN with some Ilford rolls... now i'm waiting the prints delivery... and i hope to see some good stuff from them! Thank you very much for this contest! thanks to you and all the people that work in it! (sorry for my rude english)! Thanks!! Cheers!
Aug 12, 2008 10:21 PM
Either J has a twin or I ran into her in in downtown Boise Saturday night.
www.famefifteen.c om
Aug 05, 2008 3:42 PM
Hi Chris, just a little belated thanks for dropping by and commenting on my photos. Hope things are good in la-la land. ;)
Jul 31, 2008 2:08 AM
Hey Chris, I bumped into Mark when he was here in the Philippines. Handed him a couple tiny calling cards. Hope he gets to hand one to you. He said he'd probably see you next week. I might drop by December, maybe we can kick it then.
Jul 30, 2008 8:17 PM
i miss you!! i hope all's well. we just found out we'll be opening for Hot Chip Sept 21st in Los Angeles at the Wiltern. come!
xx
Jul 29, 2008 6:55 PM
hope everythings well and safe with you and yours, just caught the news about the quake.
Jul 29, 2008 3:15 PM
Hey bro, hope nothing too bad happened round yourself with the quake and shit.
Jul 24, 2008 11:10 PM
Thanks for stopping by my pages. Really means a lot to me. :)
Happy Friday Chris, It's Donato's foster daughter...he adopted her when she was 13 and now she's a bright 20 year old interning with Tarina. Really wonderful.
Hope you and the lovely lady are well! x
Jul 04, 2008 10:07 AM
Thanks for the informative and entertaining posts And well... oh yeah.. pictures too!
And for reviving the word "wanker".
desmond
Jun 26, 2008 7:01 AM
some of your photos really inspires me, & i appreciate what you do.
Posted by Darren Aba... on September 17, 2008 3:22 PM
When I hear my conservative friends complain about the liberal media, I always ask them if they know *why* the media is so "liberal", and then I tell them it's because journalists can detect bullshit.
I'm NOT reading all the comments, so I might be repeating something ;)
Her retoucher Amy Dresser is just plain ridiculous - she's the michael phelps of retouching (you and I have talked about this before). My biggest problem with this is how much is made of it, far more press than any of the other notable (and more devious / dishonest) retouching stories over the past few years - from the "blackening" of OJ for the cover of TIME to the repeated AP photos, no one cares about those but this celebrity / glamour shot is earth shattering. For being a pitbull and a war hero, these two mavericks sure play the role of "whiny, victimized pussies" with great ease.
More importantly (and more annoyingly), you and I (and every photographer who's ever shot "professionally," ever really sold a photo, and not just one of a saturated tree next to a mountain) know, this photo doesn't exist in a vacuum - it's not like Jill is sitting at her desk running 300,000 sheets through her inkjet and gluing them to the cover of this rag, from the click of the shutter to the delivery truck arriving at Barnes & Noble, between her, retouching, agency, photo editor, art director, editor, his people, et al at least a dozen people signed off on this as an acceptable (and typical) Jill Greenberg™ photograph. The magazine is scurrying now because they look like assholes, but they really have no case. It's not like she painted a cock or a swastika on his forehead (maybe she just photoshopped those out ;) hah). As for the second picture, that has nothing to do with the price of tea in china - you know better than most I'm sure, when you have a celeb or a model in the chair, you shoot the boring ass flat Sears glamour shots for the DVD cover or magazine spread, then when you have those locked you put down the EOS or mamiya and pick up the leica and make some real photos. If his people gave a shit they should have asked or had an exclusive contract. She said in the first article i read that she worked out with the mag that the other photo was hers to run after the magazine was on shelves. Blah.
I don't know anyone or have any friends who are not hardcore Obama supporters - no exaggeration, I don't know anyone who even likes McCain (then again, I try not to talk to people who are assholes - it's a luxury).
Very "unusual" photos of McC..... Wonder about the "in the moment" side of such a picture... If we live long enough to view it 50 years hence .... Would it truly have mattered.... Hugs to M from us.... LTR, GFG
Greeting Chris! I personally like the back light photo of Mr. McCain,,,,Photoshopped or not.... gives him a" Rugged" look...all else having been said(listening to Elevation by U2)what's the fuss about???? joshu found a Bakeshop here in "Big M"a,k,a, bluff city-Memphis. Walked himself in like he owned the place... I am beginning to think neither Candidate will have much left to work with after November. Even the Alaskan Woman.... Best to J., M.,C.,And all the Clan Weeks(made a list of songs from Laura Croft Movies,She is still so HOT! I understand why Brad married her and had kids!!!). Will send as gamer if want a set.... LTR Madly,Truly,Deeply GFG
Interesting that presidents and presidential candidates in your country have "handlers". Isn't that what circus animals have?
I think that McCain is an old man that deserves a minimum of respect. For heaven's sake, he is neither Saddam Hussein nor the Antichrist, so if you have the job and get paid for to take a picture, don't make him look like the devil's incarnation by cheesy lighting tricks.
On the other hand, it would take some make-up and a full bag of strobe tricks so that Palin's horns don't show up... :)
Most photographers I know are left leaning, most artists I know are as well. I guess it's just part of it... I can't stand the guy and this made me laugh out loud.
*points and laughs at the daft fucks in the McCain camp* How fucking stupid can his handlers be? If that's the level of staff support he's to expect then he should pull out right now for that reason (not to mention the bleeding obvious - right wing war mongering c*nt). Greenberg could have done well to employ some strong ethical choices for the work and instead chose to make a politically ethical statement at the expense of trust in the media. Damned if you do, damned if you don't on that account. In her shoes, I'd have shot it professionally and then let it be. Using other tools to attack McCain's 'policies', or just refused the job. Yesterday I shot with the 2007 UK International Photographer of the Year, Troy Hansen, lovely fellow to work with, we're sharing our skills to broaden both of our skill sets and will likely go into business together over the next couple of months. We both walked away from work at the same studio for the reason of ethics, ie: having stronger ethics than the owner.
that's really cool about you and your mate. wanna hear how that goes.
basically, somehow greenberg got some pissy phone call. she knew she "gave them enough" to work with. having gotten the pissy phone call she was like "really? i'll show you."
the photos started getting some attention -- ya' know the whoremonger edits -- and the mccain camp got pissed that some photographer could do that.
i'm sure there were embargos on her work. for sure.
so ... they got pissy somehow ... she got pissy ... and mccain's expert handlers got pissy and they all got into some pissing match.
i'd photograph manson before i'd accept a commission for a mccain portrait.
she gave them one of probably at least a couple dozen possibilities. like she fucking does the photoshop herself. no fucking way. she's got legions of assistants doing it.
they totally should have an "approved or suggested list" of photographers -- by they i mean the mccain camp -- who they know don't have a bias.
I think her "unprocessed" photos have the same visual impact as the over processed ones. she's not bad technically speaking. But I have to disagree, to me, the unethical bastard was her, and the Atlantic has the right to sue her ass as much as they like.
So you call yourself a professional? well, act like one and don't go all rage against the machine on the job the magazine is PAYING YOU to do.
on the other hand, she has a point ;) and Mccain's camp should know better by the way... idiots.
This could go both ways, I think, the publicity could be good for her or it might make image conscious famous people cautious/wary of working with her. 'What if she's intellectually opposed to coked-up blonde party girl actresses? OMG, is she gonna make me look bad?' Who knows...
that is unprofessional. Point. It is fun perhaps, but really childish. In any case, I don't hold much of photographers who do their crap in post processing. Real photographers do it right first.
Most people are people first, whatever-else second. I can't fault Jill for being a person. Its one thing to be unprofessional, but another to do so for something you see as being a 'good cause'. Artists are in many ways the voice of the people. Was it unprofessional of Gordon Parks to be a civil rights activist? Maybe it was wrong of him to expose and shed light on poverty and segregation. Maybe thats not the greatest anology to this situation, but I see why she did what she did, and personally I applaud her for it. Not to mention those photos are fucking hilarious. Who gives a fuck if its unprofessional? I don't. She's an artist, what does being 'professional' have to do with art? Not much IMO. Maybe she should have turned down the assingment, but hey, she's got balls.
Stupid fucks in the McCain camp should have done their research, like you say.
most celebs i know -- mostly their publicists but also the talent -- have a short list of photographers for different reasons. i would think skilled political operators would know not to have a dyed in the wool liberal do a photoshoot right after their candidates nomination.
no matter my feeling ... i think i would have waited after an embargo to "chop" some photos and put them on the blog.
i have photos on embargo right now that i could sell for tens of thousands of dollars but my client's willingness to trust me is more important than selling out.
I agree, she could have waited, and probably should have.
One thing I think she get credit for is not being all that secret about her actions, I mean they did get a chance to see these shots before she posted them right?
You are confused...if she wants to be an artist start a gallery. IF she wants to be a magazine photog, then be a journalist. Bad comparison with Parks. Arnold Newman and his portrait of Alfried Krupp maybe, but Parks?
The great thing, or what used to be the great thing, about journalism is no one needed to do a background check on a photog to make sure their ethics were in check. Jill and others like her are doing a great job of destroying that.
Well, I didn't mean to compare them as photogs that would just be stupid. More about making a satement to people who don't really care for a statement being made to them.
It'd be unfortunate if her actions cost other photogs certain jobs or assingments but that doesn't seem all that likely. Perhaps it will have some indirect effect at most. More likely she herself will have to deal with the consequences.
greenberg is the furthest thing away from a journalist, mate. no one would look at her work and think she's even close to being a journalistic photographer.
http://www.pdnpulse.com/2008/09/how-jill-greenb.ht ml she is an attention whore, I mean when you are approached to take the photo of a person you may not like because of the ideological/politic/etc preferences he/she has you have 2 options:
1) Don't accept it and move on 2) If you accept don't behave like a 10 years old and do what you are contracted to do and don't behave like an ass.
She can be a good photographer -her style doesn't gets me for some reason- but she behaved like an ass, there are other ways to show you are against without fucking up your client and luring your subject to a trap.
1) what difference is she making if she is using the same tactics that the rep. use to lure and bait the Americans? None
2)is this abuse of freedom of speech and expression bad for the real freedom of expression? Yes
3) what will be the consequences to other editorial photographers who won't do this shit? Background checks and approval by the people that will be portrayed in the photo... this doesn't sounds good at all.
In fact I think she isn't expressing anything more than her attention whore needs to be the center of attention. she should have rejected the assignment.
yes, but that said, the atlantic has definitely used this as a way to give themselves some nice publicity. bet this cover sells better than any they've had...
true that, but it doesn't means she isn't responsible for violating the trust of her subject by luring him into a trap, even if I don't like John McCain as a presidency candidate it is plain unethical to do what Greenberg did.
Also she is now with the tail between the legs, the splash of her web page no longer features McCain photos -a bear is now there- and there isn't any access to McCain's photos either in her site now.
Jesus, what is it with this whole collective of assholes with McCain that can't fucking do a simple background check on someone? Seriously... this is as pattern-making and annoying as his boy Bush's continual fucking missteps in cronyism. I would think such things would be astonishingly embarrassing for McCain's camp -- if they weren't fucking morally-constipated enough to spin this for victimhood. I can't believe no one, even McCain, didn't realize that being lit from below would cast such an effect. Has no one there ever held a fucking flashlight under their chin when telling a camp-story?
Fuck them. And, you're right, Chris -- fuck the magazine, too.
I think it will be good in the long run for JG (except with that publication), but also, i think more people will think "hey, why is she picking on him" and McCain might get a bit of sympathy support.. I dunno, I dont like much of her work, after I found out she doesnt get it right "in camera"
I do think his handlers should have insisted on approving each of her shots too, its all the McCain camps fault.
This is one post I will disagree with you on Chris. Greenberg would not have gotten in this mess had she kept her mouth shut. She had to run to PDN and talk up how she pulled one over on McCain. Then she papers her site with these photoshoped shots of him. Sure she gave them what they wanted but in the end do you expect a client to call you again if you had done this?
For all your hatred for McCain, I would think you are professional enough to shoot a decent image. Same as the nut in the middle of the Obama town hall meeting who stood up and made a fuss over the pledge. These photogs do not shed a good light on hard-working photogs.
I actually like some of her work. It is not purist but she found a niche for her images and it brings her a lot of clients.
As for her crying baby series, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Wasn't crazy about it but she made a statement on her own time. You are right, this is something she should have turned down if she couldn't be professional about it.
Can't wait to see what she does next. Funny stuff.
Her website had some crazy images of monkeys shitting on McCain. Perverted but funny. My son laughed quite a bit when he saw that. He is at that age where crapping and farting is funny.
